- 1MTA-ELTE Theoretical Physics Research Group, Budapest, Hungary
- 2Instituto de Física Interdisciplinar y Sistemas Complejos (IFISC), CSIC-UIB, Palma de Mallorca, Spain
- 3HUN-REN Institute for Nuclear Research (ATOMKI), Debrecen, Hungary
- 4Pusan National University, Busan, Republic of Korea
- 5Center for Climate Physics, Institute for Basic Science, Busan, Republic of Korea
- 6Department of Applied Statistics, Institute for Mathematics and Basic Sciences, Hungarian University of Agriculture and Life Sciences, Budapest, Hungary
It is hardly questioned today that climate can be described in theory by an ensemble of trajectories differing in their initial conditions, which is then translated to numerical ensembles in climate models. It is also widely accepted that any evolution observed within a few decades after initialization is not relevant to climate. Evolution at a later stage, instead, is then used to characterize climate and its change, under the implicit assumption that slower processes do not considerably contribute to differences between ensemble members, letting internal variability of climate be identified with these differences. However, a justification for this practice is as yet lacking. In particular, a definition of climate in support of this practice is outstanding, including the identification of the kind of time scales at play through providing an argumentation for their relevance. Our study aims at filling this gap. After pointing out that the most important criterion for a definition of climate is the uniqueness of the probability measure on which the definition relies, we first recall the naive proposal to represent such a probability measure by the distribution of ensemble members that has, loosely speaking, converged to the natural probability measure of the so-called snapshot or pullback attractor of the dynamics. We then consider the time scales of convergence and refine the proposal by taking a probability measure that is conditional on the (possibly time-evolving) state of modes characterized by convergence time scales longer than the horizon of a particular study. We design an ensemble simulation initialization scheme for studying convergence time scales and uniqueness of ensembles in Earth system models.
How to cite: Drótos, G. and Bódai, T.: Can we define climate by means of an ensemble? A tale of time scales of convergence, EGU General Assembly 2026, Vienna, Austria, 3–8 May 2026, EGU26-9626, https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-egu26-9626, 2026.